[jmwk]

Not sure if right thread topic of actual % state of charge, my car scanner reads 94.9% when the bz4x states 100% state of charge. If someone on here knows it's a different thread please let me know.

That’s normal. There’s a buffer at both ends to protect the battery.

 

[JSM]

I'm aware, it's just that with so many threads I lost the place of where that was being noted for informational purposes.

 

[oilerlord]

The Hyundai Ioniq 5 still comes with 2 years free at EA. Because there is a new EA station that's convenient to me, that weighs in my buying decision. I have high electricity rates, so that free charging is worth about $50/month to me. So, I'm sure having a free charging plan sells a few more EVs. I would love to know how much Hyundai pays EA for each car sold. I just wish all automakers would agree to not give free unlimited charging for long periods. That would be the best for the greater EV good.

To me, free charging = BAD.

SO this ^

Like the dude in the Tesla who sat at the 50 kW charger for two hours, and perhaps another hour in line - so he could charge his car to 90% for free. I got there with 20%. After an hour waiting, I nicely asked him if he'd mind moving along as he was already at 90% and that I had somewhere to be, but then he starts swearing at me screaming "I don't F-ing care!!".

The guy could care less about his fellow EV driver, the charger, or the company who's picking up the tab for the free kWh's going into his Tesla. Sadly, I believe this is the majority's attitude and probably the biggest reason the DCFC charging network is as terrible as it is. There are several Supercharger sites in my city, where he could be in and out in 15 minutes or less, but he'd have to pay. It's why they are always available, and in working order.

Anyway, a minute later he moved along.

My wife pointed out to never do that again because today's generation see it as an attack, and that it could quickly escalate out of control for what amounts to like 6 bucks.

 

[oilerlord]

I just wish all automakers would agree to not give free unlimited charging for long periods.

Do it like a software trial: 30 days free, then you pay.

Problem solved.

 

[jake14mw]

Do it like a software trial: 30 days free, then you pay.

Problem solved.

Yes, exactly, long enough to get a home charger installed, or 200kw of free charging for the first six months, enough for a road trip or two, where people would still charge at home where they can.

 

[FelineFreddie]

One might wonder how much “free” DC charging would still be provided by EV manufacturers if they actually had to pre-pay the charging provider for the total charging fee each time an EV was sold.

Humans are an odd bunch. I’ve seen folks spend more to take advantage of some “free” products or services than they otherwise would have paid if they just bought them outright.

As @oilerlord stated, for some folks … “It’s all about me!”

 

[JSM]

One might wonder how much “free” DC charging would still be provided by EV manufacturers if they actually had to pre-pay the charging provider for the total charging fee each time an EV was sold.

Humans are an odd bunch. I’ve seen folks spend more to take advantage of some “free” products or services than they otherwise would have paid if they just bought them outright.

As @oilerlord stated, for some folks … “It’s all about me!”

Remember, Volkswagen, as part of its settlement following the "Dieselgate" emissions scandal, invested $2 billion in creating Electrify America.

 

[JSM]

Remember, Volkswagen, as part of its settlement following the "Dieselgate" emissions scandal, invested $2 billion in creating Electrify America.

Another thing to note regarding Toyota bz4x and free EVGo charging is that not all EVGo locations participate in the free charging program. It seems to depend on the site's sponsor. I ram into that scenario at an EVGo charging station outside of Scranton, PA.

 

[oilerlord]

not all EVGo locations participate in the free charging program. It seems to depend on the site's sponsor. I ram into that scenario at an EVGo charging station outside of Scranton, PA.

I'll bet all the DCFC equipment was online at that EVgo site, and there wasn't a wait.

 

[JSM]

Today's DC charging results, 62 deg ambient temp, 9-80 SOC, 40 minutes. Max charging speed 97 kW.

 

[MichaelSen]

Today's DC charging results, 62 deg ambient temp, 9-80 SOC, 40 minutes. Max charging speed 97 kW.

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The 2024 version is passing on fast charging, but the 2022/2023 version is painful, and winter is coming.

 

[JSM]

The 2024 version is passing on fast charging, but the 2022/2023 version is painful, and winter is coming.

Well, fall is settling in and the latest CCS1 charging speeds already reflecting slower charging speeds my 2024. My last fill-up from 9% could only muster 74kW peak rate with 56 degrees ambient temps. Winter is coming indeed!

 

[MichaelSen]

Well, fall is settling in and the latest CCS1 charging speeds already reflecting slower charging speeds my 2024. My last fill-up from 9% could only muster 74kW peak rate with 56 degrees ambient temps. Winter is coming indeed!

I am a Chinese user, and we are disappointed with Toyota's Japan headquarters, because this model is a global model, and the relevant software system can only be authorized by Toyota headquarters. We are trying a more radical solution, contacting CATL engineers to directly engineer the power battery ECU, and two vehicles have solved the problem of slow charging, and are testing stability (0~100% at room temperature for one hour, about 1.5 hours at low temperature).

 

[Csp1mlp1]

 

[JSM]

Well, fall is settling in and the latest CCS1 charging speeds already reflecting slower charging speeds my 2024. My last fill-up from 9% could only muster 74kW peak rate with 56 degrees ambient temps. Winter is coming indeed!

Last CCS1 charge data, 29 to 80 % SoC, 44 minutes at 56 degrees ambient. Max 50 kW charging speed.

 

[n6nl]

For reference, earlier this week on an EA 350kW DCFC, I got this result on my 2023 Solterra (AWD, CATL) with a warmer battery.

at 30% net state of charge:
Volts 361, Amps 195.1, kW 70.43, Battery 86-87.8F.

The warmer battery temperature helped a lot.

I hope that Toyota isn’t limiting the charge rate to 50 kW at around 56F, even on the 2024 CATL models. Yuk. This “winter” (California coast winter… maybe 55 for a high most days), I’ll try it again when the battery is cold (my 2023 CATL).

 

[jake14mw]

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Wow, why so slow? Were you at a high state of charge to start with?

 

[jake14mw]

Well, fall is settling in and the latest CCS1 charging speeds already reflecting slower charging speeds my 2024. My last fill-up from 9% could only muster 74kW peak rate with 56 degrees ambient temps. Winter is coming indeed!

Speeds in the 60s or 70s are generally the highest speeds I ever see even in warm weather. Summer is hanging on here in the northeast with highs around 80F today! Looks like the real fall will arrive here by the end of the upcoming weekend, and many bz4x owner that bought in the warmer months will experience even worse DCFC performance with their first winters with it.

 

[jmwk]

Please mention which model year and whether you have awd or fwd. Context helps!

thx

 

[JSM]

Speeds in the 60s or 70s are generally the highest speeds I ever see even in warm weather. Summer is hanging on here in the northeast with highs around 80F today! Looks like the real fall will arrive here by the end of the upcoming weekend, and many bz4x owner that bought in the warmer months will experience even worse DCFC performance with their first winters with it.

That charge I posted was from Saturday morning, across from NYC, before this latest streak of 80 deg weather.