As a southerner that experienced it, I would say about the same amount of owners experiencing an earthquake like they have periodically in CA. We have cold weather often, but just not sustained cold weather for weeks at the time.

 

Thanks for posting. I've seen this data before and it agrees with my experience with past and current EVs. My experience with the bz so far is that in the summer weather I was getting about 3.8 mi/kwh, and in the coldest weather it's about 2.6 mi/kwh. That's a range loss of 32% if my math is correct.

So, it seems slightly worse than the lowest competitors from the report. However, I would think that for those that have to DCFC often, that the worsening of charging speed in the cold is a bigger pain point than the lower range? Most other EVs let you heat up the battery on the way to the charger. I almost never DCFC, so I don't know.

 

One question I do have is how were those percentages in the study calculated? It might be different than how we are calculating our numbers. I thought I remember something about the way it was calculated that might overstate the Tesla performance, unless I'm thinking of a similar study.

 

We've been in a polar vortex. Best I've seen is 1.9 MKWh and about 115-120 miles of range. In summer driving I see anywhere from 4.2-5. And corresponding range. My SIL and his Tesla actually sees lower efficiency. He is actually impressed with mine. Imagine that. A Tesla driver impressed with the Toyota. I guess "viewpoint" is everything. Yeah he gets more actual range between charges. But then his Tesla has a substantially larger battery. And I am sure Tesla "pushes" their batteries a little closer to the limit than Toyota does (not as much head space)
He's so impressed with mine he's considering getting one because my daughter hates the Tesla and they need a new 2nd car

 

This concept, "hates the Tesla", seems a trend for many of the Tesla owners that I have known over the years. A few of my coworkers that discovered the bZ4X in the corporate parking lot were fixated with it and wanted to know more about it. I provided a few of them rides and most definitely became sold on the concept, i.e. styling, interior appointment, smooth ride, with exception to the charging and range. Considering that Tesla was nearly broke in 2019 and found the necessary funds to stay afloat in a challenging marketplace speaks volumes for the product including many of the innovations associated to EV. Would the bZ4X be a phenomenal vehicle with the traction charge rate and range of Tesla, most definitely. An acutely concerning gauge for me would be the following for 2024:

Tesla: 5,135,991 vehicles impacted by 15 recalls​

Toyota: 1,221,666 vehicles impacted by 16 recalls​

The bZ4X had a rough start with the wheel recall that impacted it during the 2022-2023 years with less than 3000 vehicles impacted. Toyota did step in and made good for many owners at that time. True not many sold but splitting hairs here is not the case and I do believe very few would be impacted, and, as much as owners do express major disappointment with the charge and range, I am hopeful that Toyota's battery cautious approach to the traction battery longevity will keep it mobile for many years to come.

On a similar note: how many EV owners in the Southern States, dealing with the polar vortex, were prepared for the headaches we experience in the winter months in the Northern States.

 

On a similar note: how many EV owners in the Southern States, dealing with the polar vortex, were prepared for the headaches we experience in the winter months in the Northern States.

Good point, makes me just now wonder if someone living in say FLA bought an EV even gave cold weather issues with a BEV any thought. Ike mentioned earlier I was well prepared because ALL electrified (meaning hybrids included) get their range (MPG) or however you want to measure your operating economy, get killed in the kind of weather we're currently experiencing here in NW IL. I.E. my RAV4 Hybrid is literally drinking gas compared to it's more "friendly" weather operating economy. Nearly a 50% hit on fuel economy.
All I can say is cold weather sucks