[Motch6]

I just saw this on the news! I’m a bit annoyed! I don’t see Toyota doing anything though since Tesla raised their prices a couple times this year… therefore is the $7500 off really a deal, well yes in a way it is!
Ugh! Wish I could get a Toyota to do something, before year end!! Ha!

 

[n6nl]

I’m sure The Muskrat needs to make his target for his bonus.

 

[qs933]

Either people are cancelling/deferring until Jan 1 when Tesla (in theory) qualifies for the EV tax credit again, or they are seeing a significant slow-down in demand. I remember earlier in the year when the Tesla website estimated delivery for new orders into 2023. When I looked at it a couple months ago, it gave me a 6-8 week timeframe.

I suspect a combination of the two, but possibly weighted heavier on the latter. Higher interest rates, lower used car trade-in values, fall-out from Musk's Twitter shenanigans, and more EV options hitting the market.

Maybe Akio Toyoda will have the last laugh when he's proven right...that those lofty EV penetration targets will be difficult if things like pricing and availability of charging aren't addressed, and that the hockey stick adoption we've been seeing will eventually plateau.

 

[voxel]

Either people are cancelling/deferring until Jan 1 when Tesla (in theory) qualifies for the EV tax credit again, or they are seeing a significant slow-down in demand. I remember earlier in the year when the Tesla website estimated delivery for new orders into 2023. When I looked at it a couple months ago, it gave me a 6-8 week timeframe.

I suspect a combination of the two, but possibly weighted heavier on the latter. Higher interest rates, lower used car trade-in values, fall-out from Musk's Twitter shenanigans, and more EV options hitting the market.

Maybe Akio Toyoda will have the last laugh when he's proven right...that those lofty EV penetration targets will be difficult if things like pricing and availability of charging aren't addressed, and that the hockey stick adoption we've been seeing will eventually plateau.

Demand has definitely softened for EVs (I see many brands on lots ans been offered many at MSRP) but Tesla is building 1000+ cars a day at Fremont and 3000 cars a week in Austin…so it’s a supply issue too. Toyota is building 13K (?) total bz4xs for the US in 2022/2023 which is basically under two weeks of production for Tesla and yet can’t sell their EVs immediately.

I love ICE cars and EV for what they are great at. ICE for road trips and EVs for fun and daily driving. ICE cars are like appliances to me. Functional like minivans.