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I ordered a BZ4X Pure with a 150kw battery back in April of this year and was initially informed by the dealer that it would be delivered mid September 2022. That date was later corrected to 1st October 2022.
As you are all aware Toyota announced a recall late June and subsequently stop production. The recall was lifted last month and production has resumed. However, I was informed today, only for cars which have the 160kw dc battery with 7.4kw ac charging. The production of cars which have the 150kw dc batteries and 11kw ac charging facility is expected to start in 5 months time. As a result they cannot give me an estimated delivery date or even confirm that production will start as planned. My car is already a month late with no signs or confirmation when or if it will ever be delivered.
The way Toyota have handle the launch of the BZ4X can only be described as laughable. At no time have the dealer or Toyota GB have ever contacted me, I’ve always had to ask for information. Which in my opinion is extremely rude, not what I’d expect from a world leading company from Japan. The Japanese pride themselves on impeccable manners and respect. How standards in Japan have dropped, let’s hope the quality of the cars haven’t but I’m not hold up any hopes.
 

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Welcome to the forum @Dave C 17. Sorry to hear about the delay for your bZ4X. Are you going to wait it out for the next few months? Or are you looking for something else?
When they actually give me date I’ll take it from there. The only issue I have is. I took up the offer for Toyota to install free of charge an EV charger at my home. If I cancel I don’t know were I’d stand.
 

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I ordered a BZ4X Pure with a 150kw battery back in April of this year and was initially informed by the dealer that it would be delivered mid September 2022. That date was later corrected to 1st October 2022.
As you are all aware Toyota announced a recall late June and subsequently stop production. The recall was lifted last month and production has resumed. However, I was informed today, only for cars which have the 160kw dc battery with 7.4kw ac charging. The production of cars which have the 150kw dc batteries and 11kw ac charging facility is expected to start in 5 months time. As a result they cannot give me an estimated delivery date or even confirm that production will start as planned. My car is already a month late with no signs or confirmation when or if it will ever be delivered.
The way Toyota have handle the launch of the BZ4X can only be described as laughable. At no time have the dealer or Toyota GB have ever contacted me, I’ve always had to ask for information. Which in my opinion is extremely rude, not what I’d expect from a world leading company from Japan. The Japanese pride themselves on impeccable manners and respect. How standards in Japan have dropped, let’s hope the quality of the cars haven’t but I’m not hold up any hopes.
Was this a conversation you had with Toyota GB or an email?

My understanding is that only the Panasonic battery capable of 150 kw DC charging is available in Europe. In North America, there is a 100 kw DC fast charge battery from CATL for the AWD model - that battery is not used in Europe.

Are you thinking about the 150 kW motor FWD model vs the 160 kW combined motors (80 kw front / 80 kw rear) of the AWD model?

I ordered an AWD in June and was promised the 11kw on-board charger. All models at the time I ordered were showing 11kw on-board chargers. My delivery date is now mid-April. This is in Norway.
 

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Was this a conversation you had with Toyota GB or an email?

My understanding is that only the Panasonic battery capable of 150 kw DC charging is available in Europe. In North America, there is a 100 kw DC fast charge battery from CATL for the AWD model - that battery is not used in Europe.

Are you thinking about the 150 kW motor FWD model vs the 160 kW combined motors (80 kw front / 80 kw rear) of the AWD model?

I ordered an AWD in June and was promised the 11kw on-board charger. All models at the time I ordered were showing 11kw on-board chargers. My delivery date is now mid-April. This is in Norway.
The car I’ve ordered has a 150kw dc motor, fwd vehicle. It was ordered in the UK.
The awd drive cars with the twin 80kw dc motors can only charged at 7.4kw ac. The charge rate is very slow and is one of the reasons I preferred the single 150kw motor which can be charged at 11kw ac.
I believe Toyota are considering updating the charging software for the twin motors, but nothing has been confirmed and I don’t want a car that can only be charged at lower rates.
 

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It seems odd to me that a company the size of Toyota, with all the resources it has available to it, is responding so slowly to the fast-changing EV market. This wouldn’t be the first time a major player in a marketplace took the wrong path and became irrelevant.

I sometimes wonder if we’re witnessing the beginning of the ultimate demise of Toyota, not as an automotive manufacturer, but as a major player in the personal transportation market.
 

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@Dave C 17 too bad Toyota is holding out any meaningful increase in production for quite some time. From 2025 they'll be producing 1,000 cars a month.
Anyone concerned what this might mean for availability of replacement parts?
Quote: "The Japanese automaker is considering increasing production of its bZ4X electric vehicle (EV) crossover by either six or 12 times from its current monthly output of a little more than 1,000 cars a month, from 2025 if it can secure needed components, including semiconductors."

The article stated that Toyota's current output of the bZ4X is 1000 cars a month. So from 2025 they would have ramped up to at least 6000 cars a month or 72000 cars a year.

They didn't realise how popular EV's actually are already? At least it's dawning on them now and they are reacting. Should be exciting to see what Toyota does the next decade. However, all I want from them now is the bZ4X I ordered.
 

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The car I’ve ordered has a 150kw dc motor, fwd vehicle. It was ordered in the UK.
The awd drive cars with the twin 80kw dc motors can only charged at 7.4kw ac. The charge rate is very slow and is one of the reasons I preferred the single 150kw motor which can be charged at 11kw ac.
I believe Toyota are considering updating the charging software for the twin motors, but nothing has been confirmed and I don’t want a car that can only be charged at lower rates.
All cars made now will be 7.4kw ac, the 11kw is an option, original cars had a 6.6kw charger. 11kw is only useful where you have 3 phase electricity supply, most homes don't and public chargers seem to be mostly 7.4kw. It's not a big deal in the UK.
 

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All cars made now will be 7.4kw ac, the 11kw is an option, original cars had a 6.6kw charger. 11kw is only useful where you have 3 phase electricity supply, most homes don't and public chargers seem to be mostly 7.4kw. It's not a big deal in the UK.
I agree, 7.4kw charging is perfectly adequate if all you are doing is short local journeys. That said, the real range of the Toyota AWD vehicles is listed as less than 220 miles. Therefore, if you are going to more than 200 miles in any one day, it will take over 12 hours to charge the vehicle, no matter where you go. You won’t be able to a fast charge in 1 hour at a commercial charging facility.
Therefore, I believe you’ll be limited to a 110 miles circle from where you live, and this will be less in winter. If you go any further, you'll be waiting hours, instead of minutes, at a commercial charging facility to add just a few extra miles to the battery to get home.
For me, and I think most people will agree, fast charging is a must not an option.
 

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I agree, 7.4kw charging is perfectly adequate if all you are doing is short local journeys. That said, the real range of the Toyota AWD vehicles is listed as less than 220 miles. Therefore, if you are going to more than 200 miles in any one day, it will take over 12 hours to charge the vehicle, no matter where you go. You won’t be able to a fast charge in 1 hour at a commercial charging facility.
Therefore, I believe you’ll be limited to a 110 miles circle from where you live, and this will be less in winter. If you go any further, you'll be waiting hours, instead of minutes, at a commercial charging facility to add just a few extra miles to the battery to get home.
For me, and I think most people will agree, fast charging is a must not an option.
Fast charging is DC 100kW or 150kW depending on the battery brand in the bZ. The 7.4 and 11.3kW are level 2 AC chargers, mostly used for home charging (unless I'm missing something).
 

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I agree, 7.4kw charging is perfectly adequate if all you are doing is short local journeys. That said, the real range of the Toyota AWD vehicles is listed as less than 220 miles. Therefore, if you are going to more than 200 miles in any one day, it will take over 12 hours to charge the vehicle, no matter where you go. You won’t be able to a fast charge in 1 hour at a commercial charging facility.
Therefore, I believe you’ll be limited to a 110 miles circle from where you live, and this will be less in winter. If you go any further, you'll be waiting hours, instead of minutes, at a commercial charging facility to add just a few extra miles to the battery to get home.
For me, and I think most people will agree, fast charging is a must not an option.
Dave I think you're a bit confused about the way cars charge. There is AC charging 3kw - 7.4kw or 11kw 3 phase. that you have as home and some car parks, this is called fast charging and uses the type 2 socket.
DC charging uses the CCS socket on the car and is usually 50kw or above, these are called rapid chargers. There is also the term ultra rapid which is seems to be used on chargers delivering 100kw +.
The rapid will charge your car at several miles a minute, if your battery is at 0 you would likely get to 80% in less than an hour on a rapid.

The BZ4X as standard can charge at 7.4kw on AC or up to 150kw on Rapid chargers.
 

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Fast charging is DC 100kW or 150kW depending on the battery brand in the bZ. The 7.4 and 11.3kW are level 2 AC chargers, mostly used for home charging (unless I'm missing something).
Don’t quote me, the car batteries are DC rated and the home chargers are AC 7.2 single phase and 11kw 3 phase.
The commercial chargers are 50kw, 100kw and 150kw, all dc. All with different charge rates.
I’m not sure which rate the Toyota charge, but the motoring press have been identifying charging as a shortfall.
 

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Dave I think you're a bit confused about the way cars charge. There is AC charging 3kw - 7.4kw or 11kw 3 phase. that you have as home and some car parks, this is called fast charging and uses the type 2 socket.
DC charging uses the CCS socket on the car and is usually 50kw or above, these are called rapid chargers. There is also the term ultra rapid which is seems to be used on chargers delivering 100kw +.
The rapid will charge your car at several miles a minute, if your battery is at 0 you would likely get to 80% in less than an hour on a rapid.

The BZ4X as standard can charge at 7.4kw on AC or up to 150kw on Rapid chargers.
Have you this web site Toyota bZ4X AWD
 

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I’m not sure which rate the Toyota charge, but the motoring press have been identifying charging as a shortfall.
Have you this web site Toyota bZ4X AWD
Dave, these web sites are full of incorrect information and the press have tested a US AWD version and wanted to rapid charge it to 100%. UK gets different batteries.

The BZ4X as standard can charge at 7.4kw on AC or up to 150kw on Rapid chargers. You can plug it into any rapid charger 50,100,120, 150, 350 and it'll be happy. Just like any other electric car, don't charge to 100% on a rapid. Just charge to 80 or 90% and all will be good.
 

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Dave, these web sites are full of incorrect information and the press have tested a US AWD version and wanted to rapid charge it to 100%. UK gets different batteries.

The BZ4X as standard can charge at 7.4kw on AC or up to 150kw on Rapid chargers. You can plug it into any rapid charger 50,100,120, 150, 350 and it'll be happy. Just like any other electric car, don't charge to 100% on a rapid. Just charge to 80 or 90% and all will be good.
Thanks for the clarification. I got impression from the motoring press that the BZ4x can only be fast charged at lower rates, which takes more than twice as long to charge.
 

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Dave I think you're a bit confused about the way cars charge. There is AC charging 3kw - 7.4kw or 11kw 3 phase. that you have as home and some car parks, this is called fast charging and uses the type 2 socket.
DC charging uses the CCS socket on the car and is usually 50kw or above, these are called rapid chargers. There is also the term ultra rapid which is seems to be used on chargers delivering 100kw +.
The rapid will charge your car at several miles a minute, if your battery is at 0 you would likely get to 80% in less than an hour on a rapid.

The BZ4X as standard can charge at 7.4kw on AC or up to 150kw on Rapid chargers.
Dave, these web sites are full of incorrect information and the press have tested a US AWD version and wanted to rapid charge it to 100%. UK gets different batteries.

The BZ4X as standard can charge at 7.4kw on AC or up to 150kw on Rapid chargers. You can plug it into any rapid charger 50,100,120, 150, 350 and it'll be happy. Just like any other electric car, don't charge to 100% on a rapid. Just charge to 80 or 90% and all will be good.
Yup. That's what I thought. Thanks for confirming
 

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It seems odd to me that a company the size of Toyota, with all the resources it has available to it, is responding so slowly to the fast-changing EV market. This wouldn’t be the first time a major player in a marketplace took the wrong path and became irrelevant.

I sometimes wonder if we’re witnessing the beginning of the ultimate demise of Toyota, not as an automotive manufacturer, but as a major player in the personal transportation market.
Yes, I agree with you. Blackberry and Nokia was too late to adapt to the market dynamics as well.
 

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Quote: "The Japanese automaker is considering increasing production of its bZ4X electric vehicle (EV) crossover by either six or 12 times from its current monthly output of a little more than 1,000 cars a month, from 2025 if it can secure needed components, including semiconductors."

The article stated that Toyota's current output of the bZ4X is 1000 cars a month. So from 2025 they would have ramped up to at least 6000 cars a month or 72000 cars a year.

They didn't realise how popular EV's actually are already? At least it's dawning on them now and they are reacting. Should be exciting to see what Toyota does the next decade. However, all I want from them now is the bZ4X I ordered.
12K vehicles a year until 2025… That hardly seems like a drop in the bucket, when the vehicle is aimed at much of the world market. Newsflash for any manufacturer… most buyers will be in different EV makes by 2025 and not hang around 2-4 years waiting on “vapor-vehicles”.

”If it can secure needed components?”

Yet, the Lexus RX450e is being touted in clips from the new Wakanda Forever movie in commercials. I wonder what it’s production level per year will be.

It seems odd that the company appears to be over-promising, but under-delivering. I can’t follow the strategy or the logic.

Meanwhile, other manufacturers are moving full steam ahead with EV production.

Go figure...

If I sound a bit cynical, it’s only because I’m starting to become that way.

Someone at Toyota sure has their work cut out for them over the next 5 years…
 

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12K vehicles a year until 2025… That hardly seems like a drop in the bucket, when the vehicle is aimed at much of the world market. Newsflash for any manufacturer… most buyers will be in different EV makes by 2025 and not hang around 2-4 years waiting on “vapor-vehicles”.

”If it can secure needed components?”

Yet, the Lexus RX450e is being touted in clips from the new Wakanda Forever movie in commercials. I wonder what it’s production level per year will be.

It seems odd that the company appears to be over-promising, but under-delivering. I can’t follow the strategy or the logic.

Meanwhile, other manufacturers are moving full steam ahead with EV production.

Go figure...

If I sound a bit cynical, it’s only because I’m starting to become that way.

Someone at Toyota sure has their work cut out for them over the next 5 years…

They are creating a SUPPLY and DEMAND problem. Therefore, because supply will be low, we will continue to see extremally high pricing (and market adjustments by dealerships) on any EV they produce over the next two years! Sad Day!
 
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