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Been driving with the power graph visually on display. This is very helpful for me to achieve better efficiency. By experementing with the pedal, found out when at speed by pulling back the throttle a bit and a bit more will save you energy but will not lose you speed. I think this is the reason why the car gets a poor range. I think there's a power loss when its at crusing speed, simply pulling back on the pedal a bit will save you energy. My average is now at only 17.1kw - 17.3kwh per 100km. I reset the graph 5 days ago. It started at 20.5kwh. Heck, I was at 25kwh before when I got the car, then, 22. Then I started experimenting..

Hopefully this might help other ppl to achieve better efficiency.

If other people can confirm this as well, then we might have something. The throttle system might have to be investigated.

17.3kwh average per 100km started almost 200km ago.


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Two weeks ago, the weather warmed up. My energy efficiency then was at 14.8kwh/100, then it got colder and it went up to 15.8kwh. Yesterday the weather started warming up again and today I did a trip of 50km (hwy/city). Just see the images.. Cant wait for the update and do some summer driving trips..
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Two weeks ago, the weather warmed up. My energy efficiency then was at 14.8kwh/100, then it got colder and it went up to 15.8kwh. Yesterday the weather started warming up again and today I did a trip of 50km (hwy/city). Just see the images.. Cant wait for the update and do some summer driving trips.. View attachment 1427
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In what general area of the country are you driving your bZ? Were any of the trips done on the highway above 80 km/h? The energy consumption would be impressive if you had the heat pump turned on. I really don't want to burst your bubble, but driving this car without any sort of climate control is not realistic. As you know the bZ does not even allow us to blow fresh air inside the cabin without turning the heat pump to the "ON" position.

However, you are right in that I have noticed a substantial decrease in energy consumption since the air temperatures started to rise here around Montreal.
In what general area of the country are you driving your bZ? Were any of the trips done on the highway above 80 km/h? The energy consumption would be impressive if you had the heat pump turned on. I really don't want to burst your bubble, but driving this car without any sort of climate control is not realistic. As you know the bZ does not even allow us to blow fresh air inside the cabin without turning the heat pump to the "ON" position.

However, you are right in that I have noticed a substantial decrease in energy consumption since the air temperatures started to rise here around Montreal.

I live in the Greater Vancouver area. My cruising speed on the hwy was 90-100 kph and on the way back the energy consumption was just a little bit higher at 14.5kwh.
Regarding the heating, I have been in the States quite a few times with the bz, one with a 275km round trip. Left home at 100% and came back with 9 percent left. The heater was switched on about 85% of the time, because the windows kept fogging up. I was also travelling at 110-120kph too. I really notice a very high energy consumption when there is snow on the road, you're driving slow, and you can see the efficiency graph.. using more energy and increasing. Also, when its really cold.
I live in the Greater Vancouver area. My cruising speed on the hwy was 90-100 kph and on the way back the energy consumption was just a little bit higher at 14.5kwh.
Regarding the heating, I have been in the States quite a few times with the bz, one with a 275km round trip. Left home at 100% and came back with 9 percent left. The heater was switched on about 85% of the time, because the windows kept fogging up. I was also travelling at 110-120kph too. I really notice a very high energy consumption when there is snow on the road, you're driving slow, and you can see the efficiency graph.. using more energy and increasing. Also, when its really cold.
Totally agree with you regarding the snow on the ground and exacerbated by rolling on winter tires. My biggest beef with the bZ is the lack of supporting route planning and lack of displayed information. We have no means of knowing the % of our SOC (state of charge) and that becomes an issue if one is trying to alleviate their bZ misfortune by using an app like ABRP. The BZ is smooth, it is NOT slow like some report; you want a slow car, I will lend you my 2009 Corolla with 90,000km. 😁
Totally agree with you regarding the snow on the ground and exacerbated by rolling on winter tires. My biggest beef with the bZ is the lack of supporting route planning and lack of displayed information. We have no means of knowing the % of our SOC (state of charge) and that becomes an issue if one is trying to alleviate their bZ misfortune by using an app like ABRP. The BZ is smooth, it is NOT slow like some report; you want a slow car, I will lend you my 2009 Corolla with 90,000km. 😁
Theres a software update coming sometime in May..
The new software will recalibrate the range-to-go (when heating is on) and display a charge-percentage on the dash. They say that there is a hidden margin of upto 30 miles beyond zero. I guess they will lessen that to increase the range from full charge to 0%.
* I also think they will increase the DC charging limit of twice a day.
My dealer just called me today (31 Mar 2023) to advise me that an update to the Toyota Multimedia was available from the dealership.
Thats just for the infotainment system such as the navigation, bluetooth connectivity, etc.
Thats just for the infotainment system such as the navigation, bluetooth connectivity, etc.
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New member. 1st post. Just bought the BZ4X 2 days ago. Did 1 charge. When I'm driving I never get over 3kwh/100. What's going on? This seems really crappy.
New member. 1st post. Just bought the BZ4X 2 days ago. Did 1 charge. When I'm driving I never get over 3kwh/100. What's going on? This seems really crappy.
Yes We Know - Welcome To The We Should Have Done More Research And Bought An EV From "ANYONE" Other Than Toyota Club
(Not Being Rude or Funny - I'm Just Now Starting To Get A Full Nights Sleep And I Got This Car More Than 30 Days Ago)
Acceptance Takes A Lil While To Beat Out Regret

PS. Please Don't Look At All The Extra Features Suburu Gave It's Customers For Their Top Trim For The Same Car & Same Price
The displayed value includes an approximate 10% inefficiency factor for the AC-DC on-board charger (consumes 7.3kW of AC from the EVSE when OBD II reports it is charging at a 6.6kW rate (multiplying the reported traction battery voltage by the reported traction battery current)).

So it’s a bit low, compared to how the other manufacturers report kWh/mile.

So divide it by .9 and you will get 3.33kWh/mi, which is the comparable number (the amount of energy drawn from the traction battery).

Rumours are that the expected May 2023 firmware update for the bZ4X (and likely the Solterra) will start reporting this number in the same manner that the other manufacturers do.
New member. 1st post. Just bought the BZ4X 2 days ago. Did 1 charge. When I'm driving I never get over 3kwh/100. What's going on? This seems really crappy.
Where are you located? FWD or AWD? Ambient temperature has strong effect on battery efficiency and I am excited for my local temperatures (in Durango, CO) to go up so range increases. Just getting above 50 degrees F increased the amount of braking regeneration on the dash display a fair bit.

BTW - you want kwh/100 to be as low as possible, not to get more than 3. I think I was getting about 2.7 in winter back when I was paying attention (AWD).
The bZ4X Regen Braking button is a one-setting button; it's either ON or OFF. Having said that, regeneration is ALWAYS functional but with the button activated and the green foot-on-pedal symbol illuminated on the center cluster, the regeneration is, let's be crystal clear, very agressive on the bZ4X. So Vern, your Regen is serviceable and operational. Audi has the regeneration settings available on paddles behind the steering and there are different levels of "aggressiveness" for regeneration. Similar system on the Polestar 2 with multiple settings; same on the Porsche Taycan.

I use the regeneration button tactically, e.g. going home coming off the highway at 105km/h on my downhill exit with a STOP sign at the bottom. The way I see it, if I can spare heating up and wearing down my brakes via the bZ4X regeneration braking (RB), I will turn it on. If I go to Montreal, the city of one STOP sign every 300 feet apart, I will probably have it ON and adjust my right foot accordingly in that I won't "let off" the accelerator pedal like I would with an internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle with or without an automatic transmission. I switch right foot technique from removing all pressure to slowing releasing pressure on the accelerator. It's an adjustment and requires experimentation if this is your first BEV. The bZ4X is no light weight and I suspect Toyota won't be selling brake pads cheap as compared to a Corolla. Word to the wise: here in the Montreal area during winter slush, snow, salt and ice combination, it behooves one to USE the brakes to keep them wearing down in a healthy fashion. Tesla owners reported brakes seizing up due to the lack of use.

I just removed my winter tires and installed my all season tires and combined with the warmer temperatures, I have been noticing a much better energy consumption figure than what I was habituated to view on this energy guzzler bZ4X. I have the FWD.
Being from Qc also, can you please tell me how was your winter? Are you far from Montreal? I drive in every day from Drummondville.
Where are you located? FWD or AWD? Ambient temperature has strong effect on battery efficiency and I am excited for my local temperatures (in Durango, CO) to go up so range increases. Just getting above 50 degrees F increased the amount of braking regeneration on the dash display a fair bit.

BTW - you want kwh/100 to be as low as possible, not to get more than 3. I think I was getting about 2.7 in winter back when I was paying attention (AWD).
I'm in NC. Temperature is not very cold.
I'm really loving this car.
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Been driving with the power graph visually on display. This is very helpful for me to achieve better efficiency. By experementing with the pedal, found out when at speed by pulling back the throttle a bit and a bit more will save you energy but will not lose you speed. I think this is the reason why the car gets a poor range. I think there's a power loss when its at crusing speed, simply pulling back on the pedal a bit will save you energy. My average is now at only 17.1kw - 17.3kwh per 100km. I reset the graph 5 days ago. It started at 20.5kwh. Heck, I was at 25kwh before when I got the car, then, 22. Then I started experimenting.. Hopefully this might help other ppl to achieve better efficiency. If other people can confirm this as well, then we might have something. The throttle system might have to be investigated. 17.3kwh average per 100km started almost 200km ago. View attachment 1253 View attachment 1255 View attachment 1252 View attachment 1254 View attachment 1251 View attachment 1256 View attachment 1250 View attachment 1249 View attachment 1248
Thanks, this is very useful information
I have been disappointed that my regen boost will almost never activate so far and the error message does not tell me why. The one time it did was the one time I tried with it was over 40 degrees F, but it would activate for a bit and then shutdown again. I've only had the car for a week, and hadn't dived into the manual or other resources to try figure out what's going on, so thanks for your post and alerting me to ambient temperature being a factor.

I hope Toyota can come up with a worthwhile explanation and/or fix. It was very frustrating to drive down from the mountains without being able to use the engine to slow the car sufficiently while also knowing that some potential energy was being wasted. I'm not as interested in one-pedal driving as a lot of vehicle reviewers seem to be, but I don't want to use the brakes more than I should have to either. If Toyota can explain to me with data that the benefit to battery life from this limitation outweighs the loss of energy and engine braking implications, I would appreciate it.
The regen braking turns on when your battery is below a certain level. It won’t always be on.
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