[rfrancis073]

Edit:

I want to apologize for the title. My mind wasn't right and I was using 2.2 km per mile instead of 1.6 km per mile (got my kilograms to pounds in there instead of km to miles).

I was thinking it was 150 or less miles. I feel better now though. Would still like more though!

Again, apologies for the title.

Rekkeviddeskrell for Toyota bZ4X

Aldri før har vi måttet gjøre alle tester om igjen for å være sikre på resultatet. Nå har Toyota svart på kritikken.

www.elbil24.no

Not sure what to make of this. I can't see this as being accurate but if so, damn, that sucks.

Use Google translate (or your favorite translator).



Edit: It was pointed out that US / Canada AWD models get the CATL battery instead of the Panasonic that Europe gets for the AWD. Make a difference? Not sure yet.

 

[mrjon]

I read the article. They test a lot of EVs and they do it in pretty much the same way every time.

I'm not that familiar with range testing tbh, but how would it be inaccurate? They drove it fully charged at 100% and stopped when the range indicator hit 0. 318KM range is pretty disappointing. It's enough of a difference that I could legally cancel my contract if I wanted to. Obviously, Toyota has a bit of a buffer after the range indicator hits 0 though, but how much?

Toyota Norway has been made aware of the result and they should be getting back to us after taking it up with Toyota Europe. I'm going to wait for more results and for more official updates from Toyota before making any decisions.

 

[rfrancis073]

Yeah, I'm hoping that Toyota can at least fix part of this via software updates. They seem to be hell bent on the 90% battery capacity after 10 years though but less than 150 mile range is just not good enough. Enough for my daily travels but on a trip, stopping ever 150 miles (or less) to charge would be pretty crappy. I suppose I could drive my wife's Rav4 Prime...but....

 

[rfrancis073]

I want to apologize for the title. My mind wasn't right and I was using 2.2 km per mile instead of 1.6 km per mile (got my kilograms to pounds in there instead of km to miles).

I was thinking it was 150 or less miles. I feel better now though. Would still like more though!

Again, apologies for the title.

 

[mrjon]

Based on what a dealer here in Norway has stated, a software update is coming that is supposed to increase the range as well as a press release soon regarding the situation as well.

 

[rfrancis073]

Based on what a dealer here in Norway has stated, a software update is coming that is supposed to increase the range as well as a press release soon regarding the situation as well.

That would be great. I guess with the way dealers received information (or lack thereof) on the wheel issue, I am skeptical that a dealer would have that information before release. I do hope it's true though...very much so!

 

[chinnan]

This is again another review or test drive without prior knowledge on EV range. Please check Bjorn excel that several factors could influence the range. For example if this range is with AWD , 20 inch wheels , winter condition and in highway(120KM/H) . Then it is par with most of the long range EVs Tesla Model 3 Performance (339 km), Jaguar I-Pace 90 kWh (263 KM), Tesla Model X P90DL (313 KM), Polestar 2 (305 KM), Volvo XC40 78 kWh AWD (224 KM), VW ID4 1st 82 kWh (297) . Few of the above ranges are even taken in summer!! Please check the below link available for public.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1V6ucyFGKWuSQzvI8lMzvvWJHrBS82echMVJH37kwgjE/htmlview#

 

[rfrancis073]

This is again another review or test drive without prior knowledge on EV range. Please check Bjorn excel that several factors could influence the range. For example if this range is with AWD , 20 inch wheels , winter condition and in highway(120KM/H) . Then it is par with most of the long range EVs Tesla Model 3 Performance (339 km), Jaguar I-Pace 90 kWh (263 KM), Tesla Model X P90DL (313 KM), Polestar 2 (305 KM), Volvo XC40 78 kWh AWD (224 KM), VW ID4 1st 82 kWh (297) . Few of the above ranges are even taken in summer!! Please check the below link available for public.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1V6ucyFGKWuSQzvI8lMzvvWJHrBS82echMVJH37kwgjE/htmlview#

The ranges in this document are 75% charge ranges vs 100% charge range from the link in the original post? Am I missing something?

 

[chinnan]

The ranges in this document are 75% charge ranges vs 100% charge range from the link in the original post? Am I missing something?

Check the column K

 

[mrjon]

The test from the Norwegian site consisted of 25% highway, 70% country roads, and 5% urban. They tested an AWD model that is supposed to have 470 km WLTP. They tested with 18 inch winter tires. The temperature in one of the screenshots was 8 degrees celsius / 46.4F and they stated the same. Not the warmest of days obviously, but still relatively mild for this time of year in Norway. Dry roads and eco mode activated for climate controls during the second test.

I think it's generally understood that most cars do not match their WLTP rating and range drops as the temperature drops, but the difference is pretty large. Have you guys checked the website? They seem to do a lot of testing.

The test has actually been updated now to include that Toyota Norway is aware of the test and has promised to get back to them after they have taken it up with Toyota Motor Europe.

 

[rfrancis073]

Check the column K

Ah...thanks. Didn't notice as I was looking for "Range" header. I can't expand the columns out (using Chrome) so it may be there and I just didn't see it.

Thanks again

 

[chinnan]

The test from the Norwegian site consisted of 25% highway, 70% country roads, and 5% urban. They tested a model that is supposed to have 470 km WLTP. They tested with 18 inch winter tires. The temperature in one of the screenshots was 8 degrees celsius / 46.4F and they stated the same. Not the warmest of days obviously, but still relatively mild for this time of year in Norway. Dry roads and eco mode activated for climate controls during the second test.

I think it's generally understood that most cars do not match their WLTP rating and range drops as the temperature drops, but the difference is pretty large. Have you guys checked the website? They seem to do a lot of testing.

The test has actually been updated now to include that Toyota Norway is aware of the test and has promised to get back to them after they have taken it up with Toyota Motor Europe.

Could you please share the link ?

 

[mrjon]

Could you please share the link ?

Yep,

Rekkeviddeskrell for Toyota bZ4X

Aldri før har vi måttet gjøre alle tester om igjen for å være sikre på resultatet. Nå har Toyota svart på kritikken.

www.elbil24.no

It's the same article that rfrancis links in the first post.

 

[chinnan]

Yep,

Rekkeviddeskrell for Toyota bZ4X

Aldri før har vi måttet gjøre alle tester om igjen for å være sikre på resultatet. Nå har Toyota svart på kritikken.

www.elbil24.no

It's the same article that rfrancis links in the first post.

It is very disappointing range. Lets hope Toyota will fix this issue! Else there will be lot of cancelations for sure

 

[rfrancis073]

Toyota's response to that article:

Kort rekkevidde på bZ4X: Toyota svarer på kritikken

Elbil24 gjorde testen to ganger for å være sikre på resultatene. Her kan du se Toyotas kommentarer til Elbil24s testresultater.

www.elbil24.no

"At Toyota, we value customer feedback. The concerns related to range and consumption discussed in the EV24 article are given the highest priority.

Actual range is influenced by several different factors. In addition to the battery capacity and the battery's regeneration charge, the use of the air conditioner, as well as external factors such as the outside temperature, will also affect consumption and available range.

We would also like to point out that Toyota has a policy of setting as accurate a range as possible regardless of whether the car runs on gasoline or electricity, taking into account the external factors such as outdoor temperature and the use of the air conditioner with various temperature settings, as mentioned in the article.

At the same time, for the bZ4X, as for other Toyota models, there is also a range buffer, which gives customers peace of mind if they find themselves in a situation with 0 kilometers of stated range and without the possibility to charge immediately. When the display shows 0 kilometers of range on the bZ4X, the battery will have up to 8.2 percent remaining capacity. This value is indicative, and will vary up and down depending on many factors, and therefore it is also difficult to determine the number of available kilometers before the battery is completely empty. Before the battery runs out and the car stops completely, performance and maximum speed will decrease when the available battery capacity becomes critically low.

Toyota is known for its quality and reliability, which is continued with the bZ4X. The quality, durability and reliability of the car and battery are achieved through continuous monitoring and control of battery charging and consumption, as well as total utilized capacity. Thanks to these measures, we offer one million kilometres of extended battery safety, which guarantees capacity over the first ten years of the car's lifetime.

This provides security for customers and benefits the environment.

We recognize the importance of balancing ev performance, durability and reliability to deliver the best peace of mind to our customers. We will continue to provide necessary information and updates on this topic in the future."

 

[mrjon]

Even with that 8.2 percent extra range, the total range would end up being 348 km. That's still the largest deviation from stated and actual range those testers at elbil24.no have recorded.

The testers are going to run through the range test again possibly with several bZ4X's and they will be performed together with employees from Toyota. They said to stay tuned for further updates following testing.

 

[mrjon]

So if you guys look up "nybiltester" on Instagram, you'll find that they drove the bZ4X until the battery was completely empty and had to be towed away. They drove it on country roads when the display said there were 0km left. They managed in this instance an extra 40km in range. After that 40km, the car would not drive faster than 30km/t. They managed another 2km until the battery was completely empty.

He then charged the battery from 0-100% for a total of 67.15kWh. It took 32 min to charge from 10%-80%. After 80%, the charging speed dropped to under 9kw. In total it took 2h 17m to charge to 100%.

He's going to post an article and maybe YouTube video before too long now. The last test he did he estimated 388km range with a 35 km buffer included and climate controls in eco mode. I'm not sure if his last test with 50% highway/50% country roads or if it was 100% country roads. I'm sure we'll find out when his article comes out.

 

[rfrancis073]

So if you guys look up "nybiltester" on Instagram, you'll find that they drove the bZ4X until the battery was completely empty and had to be towed away. They drove it on country roads when the display said there were 0km left. They managed in this instance an extra 40km in range. After that 40km, the car would not drive faster than 30km/t. They managed another 2km until the battery was completely empty.

He then charged the battery from 0-100% for a total of 67.15kWh. It took 32 min to charge from 10%-80%. After 80%, the charging speed dropped to under 9kw. In total it took 2h 17m to charge to 100%.

He's going to post an article and maybe YouTube video before too long now. The last test he did he estimated 388km range with a 35 km buffer included and climate controls in eco mode. I'm not sure if his last test with 50% highway/50% country roads or if it was 100% country roads. I'm sure we'll find out when his article comes out.

Seems like I saw that earlier at ToyotaOwnersClub UK forums. I've been following it over there!

Thanks for posting! I wonder if Toyota will give in and just move the buffer some just to give the impression of more mileage?!?

 

[rfrancis073]

One thing I had forgot about is the US AWD battery is 72.8 kWh instead of 71.4 kWh (Panasonics for FWD everywhere and AWD everywhere but US and maybe Canada(?)).

Not sure how much is 'useable' via Toyota's software or if it has a better or worse range.

 

[mrjon]

Both Toyota and Subaru have now stopped letting people borrow the demo/test cars for the purpose of range tests here in Norway. Looks like they will be running some diagnostics which is only good news I think.