It says unlimited unless Toyota and ev-go are playing the AT&T/Verizon "unlimited" game.
Toyota EV Car Charging | 2023 Toyota bZ4X | EV Fast Chargers
Toyota EV Car Charging | 2023 Toyota bZ4X | EV Fast Chargers
That is good to know. I'm still waiting for my FWD version. Dealer wants to sell me an AWD. I want the FWD because of the quicker charging time.A guy at Reddit did a trip and there was no issues at all. I am also fine with the DC charging time as well. The last time in the cold it took in 36 mins from 23% to 80% SOC. That is from a 100kwh charger, although I have the FWD version.
unless you absolutely need to DO NOT buy the AWD version in the US. You get a far inferior battery. Dont know Toyota's reasoning and whether that will change in future supply, but stay away from the AWD with the CATL battery. FWD and all international cars (AWD & FWD) have the panasonic batteryThat is good to know. I'm still waiting for my FWD version. Dealer wants to sell me an AWD. I want the FWD because of the quicker charging time.
I am told you can buy a bag of rice in China, which was called Caffee at some point in its life, for 2,000,000 wan. Really not sure what that has to do with anything, but wanted to contribute to another useless bit of information.unless you absolutely need to DO NOT buy the AWD version in the US. You get a far inferior battery. Dont know Toyota's reasoning and whether that will change in future supply, but stay away from the AWD with the CATL battery. FWD and all international cars (AWD & FWD) have the panasonic battery
Did you end up stranded...?After that, expect charging rates of 13 kW or slower, or 35-40 miles of range per hour of charging, until probably 24 hours after that first DC fast charge (best guess is a rolling time-out, but Toyota won't tell my local service departments any of these details). My family found this out the hard way.
Agreed. It's an absurd and unsafe feature. I know I won't be letting my wife take the vehicle alone on a trip of any distance with the car at this point, certainly not after reading Kat's experience. To think that one would have to stop for an hour at a DC charging station every 35 miles after being throttled—or stay at one for 4+ hours to fully charge—is very unsettling. Especially since it would slow down a trip so considerably (and require so many stops) that pulling into stations in unfamiliar places late at night—and for prolonged periods of time—would eventually become inevitable if one wanted simply to complete their journey.And there is where the class action lawsuit might have some teeth.
It's really sad, because this car would be perfect for some people. If all I did was drive my usual work commute, shopping, etc, and I never wanted to drive long distances, this is a great car. It's comfortable, practical, and a super-easy transition for a first EV, especially for loyal Toyota customers. If they had publicized this limitation, explaining it as a feature to help with battery longevity, just as they warned that these cars DC fast charge slowly at sub-zero temperatures, it would have been fine. We probably wouldn't have gotten the car, but there probably are plenty of people who would be perfectly happy with it.Agreed. It's an absurd and unsafe feature. I know I won't be letting my wife take the vehicle alone on a trip of any distance with the car at this point, certainly not after reading Kat's experience. To think that one would have to stop for an hour at a DC charging station every 35 miles after being throttled—or stay at one for 4+ hours to fully charge—is very unsettling. Especially since it would slow down a trip so considerably (and require so many stops) that pulling into stations in unfamiliar places late at night—and for prolonged periods of time—would eventually become inevitable if one wanted simply to complete their journey.
I cannot fathom how Toyota does not recognize that this feature is a greater liability that whatever liabilities may arise from hypothetical battery degradation.
In other words, the unscrupulous types who used to lurk at rest stops need now only change their stomping grounds to DC charging stations...and wait for a luckless BZ4X to roll in; as chances are decent that their mark may be throttled, and thus won't be going anywhere anytime soon, and may likewise be frazzled and in an unfamiliar location after dark.
And nor will they be apt to be getting very far after their charge, either.
I have read from somewhere that toyota is indeed limiting the DC charged KWh per day. It is currently at 90kwh, with the coming update in May to 170kwh. The twice a day limit represent 2x of charging time SOC 10%-80%.I can verify that yes, if you DC fast charge too frequently, which seems to be more than the equivalent of 2 cycles from low battery to 80% within 24 hours, any further fast charging will be throttled. That translates to about 110-120 KWh on the US AWD battery. At EPA estimated highway efficiency, that's around 500 miles, if starting from 100% (less range if it's cold, of course). After that, expect charging rates of 13 kW or slower, or 35-40 miles of range per hour of charging, until probably 24 hours after that first DC fast charge (best guess is a rolling time-out, but Toyota won't tell my local service departments any of these details). My family found this out the hard way.
And this one about cold weather charging:HOW FREQUENTLY CAN I DC FAST CHARGE?
In order to ensure effective charging and preserve battery health over the life of the vehicle, please plan no more than three DC fast charging sessions within approximately 12 hours. After three 10-80% state of charge DC charging sessions, a threshold can be reached, which will result in DC charging speed being significantly reduced.
Over time, the battery will gradually recover, and high-speed DC-charging can be resumed after approximately 6 hours. During the recovery time, vehicle driving performance and Level 1 and Level 2 AC-charging capability remain unchanged.
The fine print in the online version of the print brochure (in what looks to be about three point type):HOW DOES THE WEATHER AFFECT DC FAST CHARGING?
As temperatures decrease below 50 degrees Fahrenheit, DC charging time will increase. As temperatures drop even further, DC Fast Charging time may be considerably longer. For example, at 15 degrees Fahrenheit, DC Fast Charging times can increase by approximately 3 times.
So, at least on the RZ, Lexus USA is making a feeble attempt to inform possible buyers.7. Charging time may be longer using standard dedicated GFCI 120V (NEMA 5-15) outlet. Always plug in/charge vehicle in accordance with Owner’s Manual.
8. Public charging experience will vary based on charger type (Level 2 or DC Fast Charger) and other factors, including vehicle and environmental conditions. See lexus.com/electrified for more information.
9. DC charging time will vary based on weather and other factors. DC charging times will increase as temperatures decrease below 50 degrees Fahrenheit, with significant increases possible at temperatures below freezing. DC charging more than three times within 12 hours also can significantly increase charging time and will require approximately six hours before high-speed DC charging can be resumed. Accessory use, battery level and condition, and charger specifications also can negatively affect charging times.